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Poster: truckin52073 Date: Oct 30, 2007 8:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: One Drummer or Two

First off I am a fan of pretty much all eras of the Grateful Dead if you were to ask me my favorite I would probably respond with "Whatever I'm listening to now." But one thing I've wondered about and I would like to get some input on this one. Which songs do you think benefited by having one drummer or two? Or vice a versa. Some songs in my mind were better with one drummer. A few that come to mind are the more jazzy ones like Playin' in the Band, Dark Star because it seems to me that it was alot easier for them to turn corners faster with a smaller engine. That's not to say that there are some stellar versions of these songs post retirement. Eyes of the World comes to mind to. But then I listen to something like 3-19-77 and doubt myself for a minute. However there are a few songs that I really think benefitted with the two drummer format. Morning Dew is one simply because of the dynamics that could be created with with just Billy. Wharf Rat is another. Not that I don't enjoy the long jazzy Other Ones from 71-74 I do but I like to get 'em in 6-8 minute blasts. It's such a dynamic song that having both Mickey and Billy there really drive the point home. Bertha is another one I really like with both drummers. Check out 10-23-89 it's huge. I would appreciate some input. I'm sure I over looked other songs. But I'm interested in what you guys think

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Oct 30, 2007 8:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One Drummer or Two

jerry summed it up best, when he said, "it's mutual annhilation, like the serpent who swallows it's own tail."
look, he helped and hurt, depending on what era we're talking about. you could hear other members in the band more clearly with only one drummer. billy k did fine on his own, no doubt. mickey was a brother, and they had to let him come back. it's interesting, maybe i should listen to the 74 winterland shows, he came back for the last one i think, i bet that complicated things.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Oct 30, 2007 9:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One Drummer or Two

great question. I think the funky covers like Iko, women, NFA, Hand Jive were tunes that benefitted with 2 drummers.

Again, great question, I have to think about the flip side for a bit.

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Poster: truckin52073 Date: Oct 30, 2007 10:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One Drummer or Two

I agree whole heartedly and I didn't even think of those tunes. I think Jack Straw (4-6-87, 11-1-85, 1-7-78) is a song that just wails with two drummers it gives an extra dynamic that can't be done with just one. But some of the cowboy tunes seem a little stiff with two beating on the skins. This is the thing I truly love about this band. You know, the whole "What version is better" and no one is wrong. Brown Eyed Women is a song I like with two drummers. (5-8-77,11-29-79,11-1-85, 6-17-91) Again though, I would like to find a Greatest Story that kicks as much ass as it did with just Billy. I love it all

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Poster: BongWzrd Date: Nov 2, 2007 11:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One Drummer or Two

Great question!!!
I bounce back and forth on this all the time...
Sometimes I need just a Billy fix, and others I need both..

I would have loved to here what those early 73 "Here comes Sunshine" would have sounded like with 2 drummers and of course the 71-74 Dark Star's...On the flip side how would "Althea" sound with just 1 drummer??

This post was modified by BongWzrd on 2007-11-02 18:53:50

This post was modified by BongWzrd on 2007-11-02 18:54:04

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Poster: Captan Date: Oct 30, 2007 8:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One Drummer or Two

You'll gain some insight into this aspect of the GD by reading Phil's latest book, Searchin for the Sound...
Peace
C

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Poster: Toadsmoker Date: Oct 31, 2007 1:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One Drum Machine or Two

If your playing the Saloon in N. Beach a drummer takes up all the room. Best part of drum machines is after the original purchase, they'll work cheap. Hardest part is keeping two in time.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Oct 31, 2007 6:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: One Drummer or Two

Many of the shorter, faster songs ("Bertha", etc.) seemed to beneifit from the added sonic punch gained from the two drummer format. However, most of the big jam vehicles and ballads came across better with just Billy. As noted, the band's sound was just more nimble with one drummer; "uncluttered" might be the best description. I enjoy many eras of Dead, but put a gun to my head and I'm always going to go with the "Golden Age" of 1972-74, and I think the one drummer format is a big part of the appeal from that period.